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Sorry for the Inconvenience: Race and the Power of Whiteness (Case Study #399)

February 16, 2009, 9:52 am

Imagine if you will a 40 year old black male, coming through security at Boston's Logan airport. He's looking a bit younger than his middle-aged self, due in large measure to the clothes he's wearing: a black hoodie, jeans and sneakers. These seem, at least in his mind, to balance out the creases and crevices that occasionally appear on his face, hidden though most of them are beneath his beard. It isn't that he's trying, per se, to look younger. But to feel younger, oh sure, and wardrobe is a far less expensive and pathetic way to accomplish this end than say, botox or a lid lift.

He only has one bag with him, a briefcase, having checked his other luggage at the ticket counter. As the one carry-on makes its way through the x-ray machine, something anomalous strikes the screener's eye.

"Do you mind if we take a look inside your bag?" the young Latina TSA employee asks.

"Of course not," comes the reply. The black traveler thinks to himself, "probably those damned computer cords all jumbled up in there. I really ought to pack those more neatly next time."

He steps to the side, out of the way of the others coming through the line, and watches as the bag screener wipes a tiny cloth all around his briefcase. He knows the drill because it has happened before, on other flights. Just a random dusting, perhaps for explosive residue, which has been a routine around the country ever since 9/11. Oh well, no biggie, he thinks, not having built any bombs lately, let alone stored them in his briefcase. He knows what's in his bag: a MacBook Pro, a day planner, a cell phone, an asthma inhaler, some pens, an iPod, pictures of his wife and kids, a bunch of business cards he's collected from people, meaning to store them somewhere neat, but never getting around to it, and then there's...

The money.

Oh, this could get interesting, he thinks to himself.

Just as the thought enters his mind, he notices that the screener has unzipped the pocket on the top and front of the briefcase. Her right eyebrow raises a bit, as she stares at a fairly thick wad of cash, denominations as of yet unknown, overflowing a small white envelope inside.

The passenger, it should be understood at this point, is an author, and over the last several days has been on the road for speeches and book signings. During these events, he has sold about 100 copies of his latest work, and what the screener is looking at, though she doesn't know it, are the proceeds of those sales: approximately $1500 give or take. 

His mind races, wondering how he can explain such a stash, and whether his explanation--though eminently verifiable and 100% true--will be believed. After all, he's vaguely aware of a study from a few years back, which found that black women were nine times more likely than white women to be stopped and searched for drugs coming through airport security, even though white women were twice as likely to actually have drugs on them. How much more likely might he be, as a black man, carrying this kind of cash, to trigger suspicion?

He begins to sweat a bit, nothing too visible he hopes, as the seconds seem to pass with all the speed of ketchup, flowing hesitantly from its bottle. He stares stoically into space, hoping to seem non-chalant. He's done nothing, but he knows it doesn't matter.

"Where are you heading tonight?" the screener asks, as she motions for her supervisor, an older white male, to come take a look.

"Chicago," the passenger replies, the word catching in his throat, cracking on the "ca" sound, betraying a nervousness that would be hard to miss. Damn, he thinks to himself, why'd my voice have to crack like that? Man, stay cool, stay cool!

He can't hear everything the screener and the older white guy are discussing, but he sees as she opens the pocket so the supervisor can spy the cash. The passenger hears the screener ask, "What do you think?"

Time stands still for what seems like hours. These four words, being asked by a woman of color to her white male boss, in effect, are more loaded with significance than any he has heard that day. They are, though he would rather not consider it, probably more significant than any he has written, and for which he has received the very payment that has, this evening, caused such a distraction. 

"What. Do. You. Think?"

It's a simple, benign question, at least to some. But it is being asked of a white man, who has just been shown a bunch of cash--mostly twenties--in the bag of a black man, in a hoodie, traveling from one large urban area to another. That the black man is a fairly well-known author, with four books under his belt, several awards, a publicist and an agent may well mean nothing under the weight of those four words.

Oh, he knows, or at least reasonably assumes, that in the end it will all work out. After all, there are no drugs in the bag, and if he has to, he can always open up the computer, log on to Amazon and show them his books, confirm his identity, and make it alright. And, he remembers, a few people in the past week had paid with personal checks, and even put "Book" in the memo line. Surely that will do it, he thinks. What drug dealer, after all, takes personal checks?

But none of that matters. Even though he feels certain things will be resolved in a favorable manner there is still this moment. This dread. This knowledge that even though he will no doubt be on the flight to Chicago, where he is scheduled to speak in the morning, he will yet have to endure the looks, the suspicion, and perhaps a full body search, in a way that few if any white men would have to experience. 

And more, it's the looks he is garnering from other passengers that really sting. They see him, the black man in the hoodie, standing off to the side, the TSA staff looking at his bag, and then at him, with suspicion. What must they be thinking? No, even if it all turns out alright, it won't really all be alright. There will still be this moment, and the ponderousness of what it all means in sociological and psychological terms for everyone involved. 

"What. Do. You. Think?" 

He swears he hears her ask him the question again, but certainly she didn't. Surely it was but an echo in the chambers of his subconscious mind, repeating the four words that have placed, for at least a few more moments, his fate in the hands of someone who does not know him, but may very well think he does, and therein lies the problem.

What happens next is for you, the reader, to guess. Because what I've just described, though it happened, didn't happen to a black man at Boston's Logan airport last week. It happened, instead to me, minus the dread, the fear or the worry that I might be strip-searched on suspicion of nefarious activity. I knew, quite viscerally, in fact, that it would not go down that way, and indeed it did not, even though my voice did oddly crack when I told of my destination, and even though I was in a hoodie.

The question, "What do you think?" though asked by the screener was met rather quickly with a glance my way from the older white man, one final glance at the cash, and then the words, "It's nothing, you can give him back his bag."

The screener did as she was told, handed me back my property and said--and here is where things get especially weighty--"Sorry for the inconvenience."

"What do You Think?"

We think we are sorry for making you stand there, for all of three minutes.

We think we are sorry for even momentarily suspecting you of anything.

We think we are sorry for getting you confused--if only for a moment--with a black man.

We are sorry. For the. Inconvenience.

"No inconvenience," I replied. "You're just doing your job, as you should," I continued, wanting to make sure that this woman of color never would shrink from possible suspicion just because the bag in her hand belonged to a white man like me. She had done nothing wrong, and I had suffered no injury. 

Because I was white.

Not only did my whiteness, in all probability allow me to escape unsearched and uninterrogated by the white male supervisor, it also meant that no one witnessing the exchange would likely read much into it. As such, the psychological burden of standing there, with many an eye on me, was virtually negligble. Sort of like when I get pulled out of line and "wanded" by security, as one of their random searches that any frequent traveler has experienced at some point. For me, the psychic cost of the process is so minimal as to be nonexistent, unlike the way it must feel, for instance, to my Arab, South Asian, North African, or Persian brothers and sisters right about now.

But whiteness also did something else for me that night, and it is something I lament even more than the rest, because it is something over which I could have taken control and used in a productive fashion, and yet failed to do so. See, even though I made the comment to the young Latina screener, letting her know it was all good, and confirming that she should be every bit as suspicious about white men as anyone else, when I turned to head to my gate and passed the white man who had issued my free pass that night, I was rendered mute, turned into a silent collaborator with the process by which white privilege is dispensed. Rather than express to him my gratitude for having been looked at, initially, just as oddly as a man of color likely would have been--in other words, rather than challenging his apparent presumption that suspecting me would have been silly--I said nothing, allowing him, in all likelihood to think nothing of the incident, and to never have to rethink his own assumptions, or perhaps develop the same kind of alertness that his younger, darker colleague had evinced that night. It was one thing to validate the underling, but it would have been quite another--and more important thing--to have challenged the boss.

Opportunity missed, I boarded my plane, vowing not to miss it again, were such a situation to present itself a second time. The plane lifted off, headed to O'Hare, with me still in search of this post-racial America I keep hearing about. For wherever that place is, one can rest assured that Boston's Logan airport lies well outside of its newly-drawn borders. And in that, it is not alone.

Jayne Stahl

Jayne Lyn Stahl says:

Great title!

hey, Tim,

Sorry for the inconvenience, indeed.

I love the title of your City Lights Book that was published last month. You might want to check out the below link which will take you to my article on HuffPost, with the same title, that was published a year ago next week!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jayne-lyn-stahl/between-barack-and-a-hard_...

Lala S

Lala S says:

And even before that

Seems to be a common title for comedy troupes(before your article even in 2007), blog writers etc. A shared recollection of a common phrase triggered by the sound of a name.

Jayne Stahl

Jayne Lyn Stahl says:

Lala S

You're right-----it may indeed be a common title for comedy troupes.

What isn't shared is the ability to get books published by City Lights, and other noteworthy publishers, especially as a woman essayist.

Tim Wise

Tim Wise says:

not sure what to make of all this...

The title, which of course is considered non-copyrightable anyway, has indeed been used by many. The comedy troupe in Chicago, you Jayne, me, even Jay Leno did one of his "joke cover" books one night, using the title for a fake romance novel...pretty much anyone who's a little clever could and probably would think of it...sort of like my first book, White Like Me. I mean, it was no stroke of genius to come up with that, ya know, just an obvious title, which for essays and such had been used by others before. So, I'm at a loss to understand why you, Jayne, would step to me the way you did, by starting off, "sorry for the inconvenience indeed," as if I had done something wrong by titling my book this way. If the issue for you is about City Lights, then so be it. That is best taken up with them, rather than me, as I have no insights into the working of the company, who they publish, how they make those decisions, etc. I was approached by them to do this book because of my name recognition on these matters, and that's all I know. I have little doubt that had a woman known for her work on this subject proposed this same book to them, at this time in history, they would have jumped at the chance to publish it. But who knows? One thing about which I am fairly certain though is this: it is unlikely to get their attention (at least in a positive way) to essentially accuse them of some patriarchal motivation in publishing me, but presumably not you. As I said, I'm just not sure what to say. Most of the left/progressive publishers I've known throughout the years are pretty consistent about gender balance in their offerings, though I'm sure they could do better... As for major houses, perhaps not so much. I think sexism and racism in the industry is a real and persistent problem. But I think in this case what was going on was fairly simple. I am well known on this subject matter (and trust me, I realize clearly how THAT is about white male privilege, and say so all the time), and so they viewed doing a book with me as a logical step, as the book would likely get quite a bit of attention, would be marketable, etc. If I had some grand insights into the working of the industry I would share it. Just so happens, I don't, and have always been approached by publishers first, having staked out ground long ago on the lecture circuit and built up a reputation there, rather than the more traditional method of writing and sending off proposals, etc. Every time I did the latter I was rejected too, each and every time, even for essays in major publications.

Tosh ---

Tosh --- says:

great tome my heart raced as

great tome
my heart raced as i read this
as it often has during a traffic stop,
or any one of unexpected interaction
with authority. you definitely hit the
nail on the head

Marcia Gallo

Marcia Gallo says:

"Sorry for the inconvenience..."

Thanks -- again, for this and so many other excellent articles on white privilege. You're a treasure.
Marcia Gallo

Benjamin Njoroge

Benjamin Njoroge says:

Am stunned

is it white priviledge that causes such oblivion?

Jesse Larner

Jesse Larner says:

How utterly absurd

Now let me get this straight.

You take a situation in which no racial offense actually occurred -- indeed, could not have occurred, because you belong to the same racial group as the alleged offender.

Then you extrapolate from this non-racially-offensive situation to an imaginary scenario in which there was an imagined offense. And then by a sleight of hand, you imply that that situation somehow actually occurred -- so that the white supervisor is somehow guilty of racism, even in the absence of racism (I note that you have structured your story so that the Hispanic security guard is innocent of any offense, even though it was SHE, and not her white boss, who was suspicious in the first place.)

Even more interesting is that you suggest that the story, AS IT ACTUALLY PLAYED OUT, WOULD HAVE BEEN racist in nature if the exact same thing -- including the eventual absolution and apology -- had happened to a black man.

Good lord, there's plenty of genuine racism in the world without inventing it where it doesn't exist.

Frederic Christie

Frederic Christie says:

Research the Topic?

Actually, a racial offense DID occur, Jesse. You missed the point entirely, apparently.

The Hispanic officer was doing her job: Trying to REALLY be random in her search. Being suspicious of Tim, THE WHITE MAN, WAS the right thing. You are right in that the Hispanic security guard was in this story "innocent" of any offense - hell, she was actively doing something POSITIVE in challenging white racial supremacy, however subtly (and likely subconsciously).

The officer afterwards who waved Tim on was protecting the ol' boys club of white men.

Tim's privilege was real in that situation, and quite clear.

You seem to define, as most people new to the topic of white privilege (funny that your ostensibly critical response indicates mere inexperience with the topic), "racism" as being something only bad that can happen TO someone.

But this was "racism", or racial distinction, that occurred FOR someone, a BENEFIT they acquired because of their skin color. Tim got the BENEFIT of getting out of a search because of his skin color. The fact that he SHOULD have gotten out of the search is moot, because plenty of Arabs, Sikhs and blacks should get out of the search and have nothing to hide and yet the dispro searches targetting them (thanks not least to assholes like Bill Mahr who defended racial profiling) occur and help to demean them and delay their rightful entry to their plane.

Get it?

Putting that aside: You're the first person here to have found Tim's hypothetical implausible. Everyone else seems to have bought it. Maybe they (just puttin' it out there) have some superior knowledge or awareness you don't, know what it's like either first-hand or second-hand for a black man in the same situation, and thus found the hypothetical not only plausible but indeed funny and insightful?

The fact that you just assume it can't have been racism smacks of exactly the kind of white denialism Tim talks about in the next post.

Incidentally: Apologizing to someone for a racist search doesn't make the search's motives less racist, the search itself less racist, or compensate for the search afterwards. You're also reading far too much into this.

Jesse Larner

Jesse Larner says:

More nonsense

Frederic -- That's just silly. First you say that the Hispanic security guard was doing her job in searching Tim, but the white supervisor was letting Tim go due to "white privilege." Then you conclude that the search was "racist."

The fact is neither you nor Tim know a damn thing about the white supervisor's thoughts, motivations, loyalty or feelings. You're just extrapolating on the basis of what you already think you know or FEEL TO BE THE CASE, reducing the situation to a cartoon that aligns with your ideological prejudices. Yes, it is possible that the white supervisor waved Tim on out of loyalty to "white privilege," and that he wouldn't have done the same for a black man; but there's no particular reason to think so. Every player in this little vignette is an individual, with a history and a personal outlook; not an automaton acting out a pre-ordained drama of privilege and oppression. You guys are just making stuff up so that the scene plays out with the message you want it to have. It's dishonest, silly, and unhelpful. You can't build a case on what MIGHT have happened if things weren't as they actually were.

An interesting question is WHY you want the scene to have the message that you think it does. Could it be that your ideological commitments are more comforting to you than facing reality without them -- in all its complexity and subtlety -- would be?

Frederic Christie

Frederic Christie says:

If You Could Just Read

A far more interesting question than the abusive ad hominem-charged one you post at the end is this: Why are you incapable of honestly quoting someone?

"Frederic -- That's just silly. First you say  the Hispanic security guard was doing her job in searching Tim, but the whitesupervisor was letting Tim go due to "white privilege." Then you conclude that the search was "racist.""

Wrong. I conclude that a RACIAL OFFENSE occurred: That is, that someone got an unfair break. The SEARCH wasn't racist - in fact, it was ANTI-racist in that it undermined the norm that only black and brown people should be searched. Tim getting OFF it was a case of white pirvilege, yes.

"The fact is neither you nor Tim know a damn thing about the white supervisor's thoughts, motivations, loyalty or feelings. You're just extrapolating on the basis of what you already think you know or FEEL TO BE THE CASE, reducing the situation to a cartoon that aligns with your ideological prejudices."

Sure, and a man who calls someone "Nigger" may have accidentally said that and instead meant to say "Juice box". People read into people's behaviors all the time based on the evidence. You don't give us any reason to think the situation is WRONG. You just say we are. Nice try.

Oh, and another thing: Let's say that the white supervisor's intent WAS just to facilitate a customer of the airlines getting to their flight.

That'd STILL be white privilege. And the fact that I have to explain this, again, shows that you don't spend a lot of time on these issues. (Not your fault, we have all sorts of commitments).

Because we KNOW that this does not happen nearly as often to blacks.

If someone hires me as a white man because they like my resume, that's STILL white privilege, even if they have not an ounce of racist intent in their minds. Because my whiteness gave me dispro access to recommendations, reference, letters of rec, opportunities to attend better education and get better jobs, etc. EVEN if this one employer hires blacks fairly according to their resume, the fact that everyone else doesn't has caused the labor market to become racist in toto. And for a variety of other reasons.

In short, white privilege and race play out constantly, every day, and indeed every second insofar as white privilege changed the environments within which we grew up.

So, yeah, we read white privilege into it, because it HAPPENED, largely irrespective of what everyone in the situation intended and desired.

"Yes, it is possible that the white supervisor waved Tim on out of loyalty to "white privilege," and that he wouldn't have done the same for a black man; but there's no particular reason to think so."

Except that's not what Tim alleged happened, so your lack of agreement with that claim is moot and only proves you're just beating up straw men vigorously.

Rather, Tim is arguing that a combination of formal airline and state policy, informal airline and government policy and signals (e.g. people just picking up through observing behavior that some people just need to be pulled over more often), and subtle (probably subsconscious but nowhere CLOSE to always), caused the set of circumstances where him being pulled aside for a search is rare and him being moved along is an institutional "fix" to that violation of the institution's normal norms.

This is the way institutions operate, which means you must not think racism is institutional, which means we already have a major problem with communication and models...

"Every player in this little vignette is an individual, with a history and a personal outlook; not an automaton acting out a pre-ordained drama of privilege and oppression"

Actually, they're both.

We all play out "pre-ordained dramas" determined by society, constantly. Putting in a resume at a workplace, even putting aside the above discussion about employment discrimination, involves a process that we've accepted wherein our resume is reviewed, possibly called back, interviews probably set out, etc. That drama IS largely pre-ordained, coming from the way those institutions operate, and we have very little control over how it happens.

You wouldn't deny that in the case of a resume, but mysteriously when it comes to racism... 

"You guys are just making stuff up so that the scene plays out with the message you want it to have. It's dishonest, silly, and unhelpful. You can't build a case on what MIGHT have happened if things weren't as they actually were."

Why not?

Tim made a case and presented an argument. He said the scene had that meaning. You didn't say he was wrong, just that he couldn't make the argument, for some arbitrary reason.

An interesting question is why you found the scene's meaning implausible, yet seemingly no one else did, and many found it so plausible as to actually be comical. Any hypothesis for that?

The fact is that, WHATEVER THE INTENT of all the people involved, the scene did in fact play out under the contours of white privilege, given the overwhelming play of the factors. No black or Arab man could expect to have a white man intervene so easily to protect them. And since so many black folks find such stories plausible and resonating with their experience, you are also implicitly dismissing what they suggest about their own experience, a position ITSELF mired in white privilege. How unsurprising.

An interesting question is WHY you want the scene to have the message that you think it does. Could it be that your ideological commitments are more comforting to you than facing reality without them -- in all its complexity and subtlety -- would be?"

Would be a fantastic question if your premises were right. Since they're wrong, a counter-question emerges: Why DON'T you see race and white privilege where anti-racist activists do?

Tim Wise

Tim Wise says:

and don't forget...

Jesse, the part of the article you conveniently ignore: the part about the study from a few years back, which found that black women are 9 times more likely than white women to be stopped and searched coming thru airport security and/or customs, even though white women were 2x as likely to be found with drugs on us on the occasions when they were searched). So indeed black people DO experience searches in situations where they shouldn't (and having $1500 in cash is among them). I have gotten over 100 emails from black people since this article ran confirming that they have been searched for having a few hundred in cash on them, quizzed as to where it came from, etc, and in a few cases, they had their cash confiscated (as the law allows, even without probable cause), whereas I never have been treated this way, as this story illustrates (and I fly thru security with cash regularly)...perhaps you have some non-racial explanation for this??? Of course you don't, because there isn't one...

adam powell

adam powell says:

ONLY IN AMERICA

This is not only common at an airport but the mall and even colleges or universities. It couldn't have happened to a better guy (Mr. Wise), an advocate against white priviledge, but you already know the game. Anyone else and they would have pulled their white priviledge card without a second thought. 

alan martin

alan martin says:

Adam, if you mean that if

Adam, if you mean that if Tim used the card, you missed the point.  Tim didn't have to play his card, it was played for him.   An unspoken truth that goes without saying. 

Michael Salling

Michael Salling says:

The most useful thing I learned:

That carrying $1,500 cash through airport security is vorboten,

Mary Schuster

Mary Schuster says:

I've been a teacher for 20

I've been a teacher for 20 years, and I'm working on my Master's in preschool special education. Until very recently multi-cultural education mostly meant learning about other cultures and including all children's cultures in the class. As of this year it has shifted, at least in my program. For the first time, I'm in classes where we are looking at the white culture and priviledge, how pervasive it is, and how it impacts teachers and children of all ethnic backgrounds. I was not raised with any overt racism and always considered myself open-minded and accepting, so it is uncomfortable to see what I didn't know I didn't know. However, whether I like it or not I now understand that it really is this way, and I would rather live my life in reality and deal with it than in some fantasy. Articles like this and the clarifying comments are really supporting and challenging me to extend my understanding and take the next steps.

*    Aberjhani

* Aberjhani says:

"Post-Racial America" is going to take a while

Thanks for sharing this great personal essay. Most mature African-American men are generally prepared to be stopped and/or questioned in a variety of situations. We generally assure whomever does this as part of their job, under reasonably acceptable circumstances without overt racist overtones, that it's no big deal. As Langston Hughes said, "I, too, am America," and these days that means understanding the necessity of precautions added to public security measures following 9/11. Many of us also occupy positions where we actually enforce such measures.

Racial presumptuousness and other barriers to cross-cultural harmony are subjects that will have to become part of an ongoing dialogue, such as the one exemplified here, before we can even hope to approach the actuality of a "Post-Racial America." Moreover, it will at some point become international in scope rather than just national. Engaging such a dialogue may very well become one of the great social adventures of the 21st century.

Aberjhani
author of The American Poet Who Went Home Again
and Encyclopedia of the Harlem Renaissance (Facts on File)

Michael Edno

Michael Edno says:

The problem here Tim, is

The problem here Tim, is that you manufactured this out of thin air. Nothing happened. What should you have "challenged" the "boss" about? He didnt do anything wrong. How do you know he would have said something different had you been black?

"Sorry for the inconvenience", a common enough phrase, is turned into something of very deep significance here, when its not clear there was any. For all you know, they say that dozens or hundreds of times a day, every day, to all manner of people whenever a bag or a person is given a second look and nothing comes of it.

"Because I am white"

You dont know that. Your mind-reading these people. Worse yet, you locate Logan Airport as outside of Post Racial America based on something that you did *not* see happen.

I dont know where post racial America is either, and I dont know if Boston or Logan is there, but nothing that happened to you at the airport that day can tell us anything about it either way. The rest was just a story you made up.

Frederic Christie

Frederic Christie says:

Statistics, Statistics

"The problem here Tim, is that you manufactured this out of thin air. Nothing happened. What should you have "challenged" the "boss" about? He didnt do anything wrong. How do you know he would have said something different had you been black?"

Statistics, subtext, pattern recognition, decades of experience...

Again, we have a very interesting sociological fact before we even begin to attend to the arguments. You and people like you, seemingly generally white (and probably middle-class by the looks of it - I'm noting the pattern here), don't find plausible what anti-racist activists and people of color do. Repeatedly, I ask why, and point to hypotheses. Repeatedly, I get no answer. Funny, that.

The fact is that, by statistics alone, Tim would not have had reason to have been so blasé and secure. Yes, it could have developed differently. Hypotheticals do that. But the point remains fairly clear. Anyone who can just read statistics knows that, if they are black, the odds are stacked against them. Why this simple point flies over the head of so many, I wish I didn't know.

More importantly, part of the article was that he didn't stand up for the Latina guard. Everyone misses that one. He should have acknowledged that she should have searched him and been suspicious about the cash. But you don't mentiong that, of course.

"You dont know that. Your mind-reading these people. Worse yet, you locate Logan Airport as outside of Post Racial America based on something that you did *not* see happen."

No, he's making a deduction. "Your" [sic] disagreeing with him, based not on any better evidence of their internal state, but just based on your own different suppositions. You provide no reason to prefer your model over his, and your model flies in the face of all the statistics you concede and all of the experiences that people of color have. Yet, using your white privilege, you continue to parrot it. Staggering.

"I dont know where post racial America is either, and I dont know if Boston or Logan is there, but nothing that happened to you at the airport that day can tell us anything about it either way. The rest was just a story you made up."

I suppose for utterly pedantic readers such as yourself, yes. Other people saw something quite interesting and took the point. The fact that you think that your interpretation is correct is the most galling part.

Incidentally, we DO know where "post-racial America" is: It doesn't exist. The statistics prove that, which you long ago conceded. Funny...

Michael Edno

Michael Edno says:

The GAO report that Tim

The GAO report that Tim references looked at the 140,000,000 people arriving in the US from international flights, and who went through customs in 1997 and 1998. Out of those 140,000,000 a total of 102,060 searches took place. (More than 99.9% were not searched).

Out of 102,060 searches:

Men: 76,342
Women: 24,431
Missing Data: 1,319

White: 25,634
Black: 12,777
Asian: 8,450
Hispanic: 31,397
N. American: 79
Missing Data: 23,755

US Citizens: 30,004
Noncitizens: 50,819
Mising Data: 21,269

Frisk/Patdown: 96,769
Strip: 3,872
X-Ray: 1,419
Body Cavity: 32

The 9x figure Tim references is in only regard to the X-Ray searches of blacks and whites who were US citizens.

"which found that black women are 9 times more likely than white women to be stopped and searched coming thru airport security and/or customs, even though white women were 2x as likely to be found with drugs on us on the occasions when they were searched)."

The GAO study did not establish how often people of different groups are "stopped". And it covered Customs, and not all airport security at all airports, as far as I can tell. The demographic breakdown of the total 140,000,000 were not known to the GAO. Its only the 102,060 that were actually searched where figures are available, although there is a substantial number with missing data. Thus how the searched group compares to the total group isnt known. We would need to know that to determine liklihood of being stopped by race.

Instead, this was the wording from the report:

"The most pronounced difference occurred with Black women who were
U.S. citizens. They were 9 times more likely than White women who were U.S. citizens to be x-rayed after being frisked or patted down in fiscal year 1998.

But on the basis of x-ray results, Black women who were U.S.
citizens were less than half as likely to be found carrying contraband as White women who were U.S. citizens were."

In fiscal year 1998 there were 33 X-Ray searches of US black women, and 15 of US white women. This translated to a liklihood of an X-Ray search of 0.0635 for US black females and 0.0073 for US white females. (0.0635/0.0073= 8.69 = 9, rounded up)

Again, thats liklihood of an X-Ray after already being patted down/frisked.

In general, the rates varied according to gender, race, ethnicity and citizenship. The report summarizes this:

"Among noncitizens, Blacks and Hispanics were more likely
than Whites to be x-rayed, by factors of 4.5 and 1.9, respectively; Asians were much less likely to be x-rayed than Whites. Among citizens, however, Blacks and Hispanics were 8.7 and 3.7 times as likely as Whites to be xrayed."

Noncitizen Asian Privilege? Well, maybe not! ;-)

The numbers are different for strip searches, pats/frisks, etc. Apparently there are also substantial differences according to which of the many airports you focus on. And of course, the point of origin of the flight is relevent and certain airports handle very different percentages of flights from differing destinations. Lots to look at.

The point though is that 33 X-ray searches of US black women in fiscal year 1998 versus 15 for US white women is not exactly a pandemic of "privilege" and "deprivation". Why noncitizen blacks had much lower rates than black US citizens would be the first indication that all this needs much further analysis. That there is statistically significant biases occuring is not in dispute.

Lots more to say on this report, if anyone wants.

Michael Edno

Michael Edno says:

The quote from Tim therefore

The quote from Tim therefore is not only wrong, but carefully cherrypicked to give the maximum sense of the divide. The 9x figure did not represent all female blacks and whites, only those that were citizens, and only referred to liklihood of one type of search (x-ray) being used after patdown/frisk had already been applied. So he chooses the 9x figure because it is by far the largest.

 No other divide between citizen and noncitizen blacks and whites is that large for any other type of search. Since the lower figures are not as dramatic, Tim doesnt use them. He also doesnt use the black male/white male X-Ray search figures, because with males, whites were not more likely to be found with contraband than blacks, as was the case with white females. So Tim just leaves that one out.

But by wording it the way he does, he gives the false impression that the 9x figure describes all stops and all types of seaches of all black and white women (citizen or not) and at all airports. By leaving out that non-citizen Asians had by far the lowest rate fo being subjected to the x-ray test (inc. whites) Tim loses the depth or complexity of the issue.

 I think most would agree that simply saying that "non-citizen Asian privilege" was the "explanation" of the differential would not actually "explain" anything. You would only be characterizing the difference, not explaining anything about it. Maybe whites should be searched more than they are. Maybe Asians who are not citizens should be searched ALOT more than they are. Or maybe they should be searched less often. But whether its lower or higher than blacks doesnt make it useful or logical to call it "privileged". Maybe in at least some circumstances, anti-black discrimination is a better, and more accurate way of wording that.

Frederic Christie

Frederic Christie says:

Mendacious Garbage

 "The quote from Tim therefore is not only wrong, but carefully cherrypicked to give the maximum sense of the divide. The 9x figure did not represent all female blacks and whites, only those that were citizens, and only referred to liklihood of one type of search (x-ray) being used after patdown/frisk had already been applied. So he chooses the 9x figure because it is by far the largest."

So in your opinion, a three-fold, five-fold, or even two-fold difference would invalidate his point? Frankly: What crack are you smoking? Is this intended to be taken seriously?

If we were actually responding to this honestly (i.e. were this not mendacious garbage), then the fact that they are citizens would AMPLIFY the noxiousness of the number, not decrease it. That is: While there might be some logic, albeit twisted, in questioning the patriotism and criminality of those who are not citizens and therefore are not tied to the nation, surely citizens deserve better treatment. The fact that black citizens are treated WORSE than the average black population is a staggering sign of the mistreatment of native blacks, quite contrary to your viewpoint.

Let's quote the article, for some basic honesty.

"The General Accounting Office report, scheduled for release Monday, found that black women were nearly twice as likely to be strip-searched on suspicion of smuggling drugs as white men and women, and three times as likely as black men, according to the Post.

The report found the intrusive searches were not justified by a higher rate of discovery of contraband among minority groups.

Only about 102,000 of the roughly 140 million U.S. citizens returning from abroad were subject to special searches in fiscal years 1997 and 1998. The GAO said 95% of those were given simple pat-downs and were not required to disrobe.

Another 4% underwent strip-searches and 1% were X-rayed, the Post cited the report as saying.

African American men and women were nearly nine times as likely as white men and women to be X-rayed, while Latin American men and women were nearly four times as likely, the Post quoted the report as saying.

"The most pronounced difference occurred with black women who were U.S. citizens," the Post quoted that GAO report as saying. "They were nine times more likely than white women who were U.S. citizens to be X-rayed after being frisked or patted down in fiscal year 1998. But on the basis of X-ray results, black women who were U.S. citizens were less than half as likely to be found carrying contraband as white women," the GAO said."

There's two parts there. (One interesting conclusion of the data is that black men are searched less often, but other data accounts for that - suffice it to say that blacks in general are searched more often). The first is that black women are far more likely in general to be searched, around twice as likely as whites. The second is that black women are nine times as likely to be x-rayed. This data suggest a few points.

First: ANY differential in the amount searched is inexcusable. There is NO evidence that blacks, male or female, smuggle more drugs, have more contraband, etc. So whether the number is double or nine-fold, it's still inexcusable. You're really dredging the bottom of the barrel here.

It gets worse, though. The fact that black women  were HALF as likely to have contraband means that the REAL difference between whites and blacks, when factoring in the real rates of contraband, are actually separated by an 18-FOLD difference.

Second: The fact that the disproportion occurs for x-rays, one of the most invasive and time-consuming forms of airport security (aside from detention and strip searching), is actually quite illustrative.

Congrats on putting your foot in your mouth, there.

"No other divide between citizen and noncitizen blacks and whites is that large for any other type of search. Since the lower figures are not as dramatic, Tim doesnt use them. He also doesnt use the black male/white male X-Ray search figures, because with males, whites were not more likely to be found with contraband than blacks, as was the case with white females. So Tim just leaves that one out."

Fantastic. To make a polemical point, replying to your idiotic argument, he used the strongest figure in order to illustrate how stupid the argument was.

What YOU concede, or 'leave out', is that there is a difference in rates of searching.

Which means Tim's original story and point was correct.

Which means your initial arguments were wrong.

You could just have admitted this. Instead, you decided to keep going. Apologist for white privilege indeed...

"But by wording it the way he does, he gives the false impression that the 9x figure describes all stops and all types of seaches of all black and white women (citizen or not) and at all airports. By leaving out that non-citizen Asians had by far the lowest rate fo being subjected to the x-ray test (inc. whites) Tim loses the depth or complexity of the issue."

Yes, and by not mentioning how often pregnant mothers or Italians are searched he loses the complexity of the issue. Tim's POINT is that white folks can take for granted treatment black folks can't. The data supports this. Anything else is extraneous: Interesting for academic discussion, further follow-up, and for truly dishonest people who want to do anything but talk about white privilege, but irrelevant to the topic at hand.

Funny how you not only keep bringing up irrelevancies, but continue to deny the testimony and experiences of blacks the nation over.

" I think most would agree that simply saying that "non-citizen Asian privilege" was the "explanation" of the differential would not actually "explain" anything. You would only be characterizing the difference, not explaining anything about it. Maybe whites should be searched more than they are. Maybe Asians who are not citizens should be searched ALOT more than they are. Or maybe they should be searched less often. But whether its lower or higher than blacks doesnt make it useful or logical to call it "privileged". Maybe in at least some circumstances, anti-black discrimination is a better, and more accurate way of wording that."

We've gone over this ad nauseum somewhere else. To sum up: If I can rely on better treatment than you, I have a privilege vis-a-vis you and you are discriminated vis-a-vis me. The fact that you only want to talk about what needs to stop happening to blacks rather than talking about what WHITES may need to do and acknowledge is deeply illustrative. Good luck convincing black folks that you're watching out for their best interests while you busily continue to ignore them...

 

Michael Edno

Michael Edno says:

"which found that black

"which found that black women are 9 times more likely than white women to be stopped and searched coming thru airport security and/or customs, even though white women were 2x as likely to be found with drugs on us on the occasions when they were searched."

Thats what Tim said, Frederic. IS that true or not true? Was this an example of "basic honesty"? Oh its just polemics right? So misstatments of fact are a-ok? Mischaracterizing studies is fine, as long as his hearts in the right place? LEt me repeat this:

"The quote from Tim therefore is not only wrong, but carefully cherrypicked to give the maximum sense of the divide. The 9x figure did not represent all female blacks and whites, only those that were citizens, and only referred to liklihood of one type of search (x-ray) being used after patdown/frisk had already been applied. So he chooses the 9x figure because it is by far the largest."

This is because, like you, he wants to make "whites" equivalent to billionaires and millionaires. That the divide between whites and blacks is comparable to the divide between Warren Buffet and the whites and blacks in Appalachia. In keeping with this impossible and absurd task, what we get is cherry picking the stats to give the largest possible sense of the divide. Nevermind that only 33 such searches of US black women actually occured that year. Thats a total of 33 counting every airport that recieved international flights. Meaning some airports had none that year, or one or two. FLigths arriving 24/7 and 365 days a year, and it happened 33 times versus 15 for white females.

Yeah thats like being Warren Buffet isnt it?

"Which means Tim's original story and point was correct."

No Tims original story was fiction. He described a normal and routine event at an airport and then read a very great deal more into it. As to his point that whites are getting free passes for being white, that is not supported by the evidence. Not in HIS "story" or elsewhere.

"Yes, and by not mentioning how often pregnant mothers or Italians are searched he loses the complexity of the issue."

Indeed.

"Tim's POINT is that white folks can take for granted treatment black folks can't."

They cannot take for granted that they wont be searched. They certainly cannot take for granted that they will not be searched when they ought to have been. All you can say is that the search rates differed. That they are statistically less likely than blacks to be strip searched or X Ray searched after already having been frisked or patted down. Even though both types of search were very very unlikely events no matter the race.

But 25,000 personal searches of all varieities were conducted of whites, with 93% negative and 7% positive. Thats the same negative and positive divide for blacks. That both groups groups had a 93-7 failure to success rate for all searches could mean that white search rate should be dramatically increased, or that the black rate shoudl be ALOT lower. Or maybe they should both be decreased by alot since most of these searches are for narcotics, and this war on drugs effort is a waste of time anyway.

"Anything else is extraneous: Interesting for academic discussion, further follow-up, and for truly dishonest people who want to do anything but talk about white privilege, but irrelevant to the topic at hand."

Except that you dont think its extraneous to bring up Asians when you think it supports your white privilege narrative. BUt if any number puts them in a better position than whites...its "extraneous". Thats the fundamental dishonesty what your arguing. You KNOW youd quote the stat if it were different.

So let me repeat this:

I think most would agree that simply saying that "non-citizen Asian privilege" was the "explanation" of the differential would not actually "explain" anything. You would only be characterizing the difference, not explaining anything about it. Maybe whites should be searched more than they are. Maybe Asians who are not citizens should be searched ALOT more than they are. Or maybe they should be searched less often. But whether its lower or higher than blacks doesnt make it useful or logical to call it "privileged". Maybe in at least some circumstances, anti-black discrimination is a better, and more accurate way of wording that."

Explain the number for Asians, Frederic? White privilege? How does that explain anything at all?

Michael Edno

Michael Edno says:

"We've gone over this ad

"We've gone over this ad nauseum somewhere else. To sum up: If I can rely on better treatment than you, I have a privilege vis-a-vis you and you are discriminated vis-a-vis me."

No thats not a privilege. Its not even a "vis-a-vis" privilege. We cant know if the rate you are searched at is fair or unfair based simply on how it compares to mine. We could both be searched at unfairly high, but differing, rates. Something I am sure you would believe if one were black and the other latina.

Latina privilege? I doubt you would characterize the differntial with blacks as the result of Latina "privilege".

"The fact that you only want to talk about what needs to stop happening to blacks rather than talking about what WHITES may need to do and acknowledge is deeply illustrative."

Considering that non-citizen Asians had the lowest rates, maybe they need to acknowledge their "non citizen Asian privilege" and talk about what they may need to do to make sure they get X-rayed alot more often!

That sure sounds like a productive use of time!

Frederic Christie

Frederic Christie says:

Abusive

"No thats not a privilege. Its not even a "vis-a-vis" privilege. We cant know if the rate you are searched at is fair or unfair based simply on how it compares to mine. We could both be searched at unfairly high, but differing, rates. Something I am sure you would believe if one were black and the other latina."

I would believe it because the evidence suggests it. Both my personal experience and the committing data indicate that whites believe that they can traffic contraband without being caught, not to mention break traffic laws. This contempt for the law, shown by things like the Wailer concert I attended, is really quite deep.

But, of course, there's plenty of other such privileges if this one is marginal for you. Take the ability to create 99% white communities to satisfy white folks' racist comfort zones. That right should NEVER exist. Similarly, the right to discriminate at all on an institutional level shouldn't exist, but whites have it.

You'll undoubtedly argue that this doesn't "benefit" them. This is moot, because they have the capacity, even if it doesn't help (just like the fact that the rich COULD hire private armies was relevant in the 19th century but is less relevant now). But it's also false: Whites clearly have fought tooth and nail to keep those powers.

This whole discussion brings up what may actually be the single biggest problem with your resistance. You reject "white privilege" as a concept, or at least a terminology, because many whites are below a threshold YOU believe they SHOULD be at. You reject the idea that whites should be searched more often because in YOUR mind everyone should be searched less often.

That this is deeply arrogant is obvious. That this is a view steeped in white, American, male privilege is equally obvious to the trained observer. Only we white guys have the ability to think that only deviations from the world WE happen to think should exist matter. Because YOU think that white people should be richer (even though an ecological argument could be made for them being much poorer: everyone owning a car, for example, is almost undoubtedly ecologically unsustainable), the fact that blacks are poorer is irrelevant.

While the arrogance is revealing, the problem with this approach is that it's bad social science. The first thing we do is look at the real world, our preferences having been put aside. We find that whites in almost every social arena have massive advantages, above and beyond their class, gender or political position. We call those advantages "white privilege". Your responses are bad social science, because they assume that your beliefs trump reality.

"Latina privilege? I doubt you would characterize the differntial with blacks as the result of Latina "privilege"."

In this instance, I would note that Latina/os and Asians have an advantage over blacks.

This is an abusive argument that suggests that you are lightyears away from honestly wanting to engage with the topic. I could just as well say, "Man, look at how much people HATED George W. Bush and Dick Cheney. Never mind class privilege", or said, "Man, Christopher Reeves  was disabled. Looks like the poor were privileged".

Let's say that this bar of justice you think that should be set is $100,000. Is $101,000 "privilege"? $102,000? At what exact threshold is rich "too rich"?

At marginal cases, ANY assessment of privilege and power break down. Your argument reduces to denying class, race, state and gender power. It's deeply illustrative how absurd the logic is, how special it is, how much you only deploy it for race and gender.

The reason why we use white privilege isn't because whites get searched less than blacks at airports. It's not because they make more, or are more likely to get into the first school of their choice, or get more access to executive positions, or get treated better by the media, or can rely on the police to protect their interests. It's because of ALL of those things. Just like class privilege forms not just because of having a little more money but having a LOT more money, so much more and with so many more means to use that wealth and the power that emerges from it that one can boss around entire nations, and particularly ownership of productive means, so too does white privilege not emerge because of one or two advantages but because of HUNDREDS of advantages. Whites are on the top of almost every social indicator that one looks at, no matter any indication of merit, and you still seem to think that this is some kind of arbitrary declaration.

The worst part? Peggy McIntosh, a feminist, in her "Unpacking the Knapsack", opens by noting that she as a woman wanted to deny white privilege but looked and realized that, even as a woman, being white gave her advantages. Similarly, Tim recognized in White Like Me that he was far from rich, but that he still had critical advantages that indeed made his entire career. Everyone else can recognize this, that being white is an advantage even with other disadvantages in their life.

"Considering that non-citizen Asians had the lowest rates, maybe they need to acknowledge their "non citizen Asian privilege" and talk about what they may need to do to make sure they get X-rayed alot more often!

That sure sounds like a productive use of time!"

Wow. You're not even trying.

The difference between not being scanned at airports and having the entire country's power structures be oriented towards your needs is so colossal that it is below me to reiterate it, and below you to make this argument.

Incidentally, Asians DO have enough advantages over blacks and Latina/os that they are routinely pointed to as the "model minority". So even when you try to make an argument YOU find as absurd, you make one that is commonly made in the real world. Further, it's not just conservatives that say it. Many Asian activists say that it is their obligation to use that privilege, as scant as it is, as a means to stand in solidarity with other minority groups and to deconstruct their whole group being used as a means to deprive others. So even a group that faces real racism (Asians with a college degree make as much on average as whites with a high school degree) can acknowledge their own responsibility to use what privileges they DO HAVE to their best.

But, of course, you don't think whites should. Because, in your worldview, it is obvious that whites can do no wrong, that poor whites have no obligations or responsibilities of their own.

What if poor men beat their wives? Is their poverty an excuse, Michael?

We all benefit from a racial opportunity structure that we didn't earn. We can either stay silent and thereby implicitly defend it or we can resist it. You are doing far worse than silence: You are actively apologizing for racial privilege.

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