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Earl Merkel Novelist and occasional iconoclast...

A Writer's SOS-- Was My Reply Wrong?

September 30, 2009, 10:45 am

 Every writer --whether newbies or veterans suffering acute crisis-of-confidence issues-- has wondered: do I need outside editing help to whip my book into publishable shape? Below is an e-mail I received from just such a writer, and the advice I provided.   Was I wrong? You tell me, and I'll pass it along. --Earl Merkel                                                                                                                                                                                                        .
 --Original e-mail--  From: D. (name deleted on advice of E.Merkel's attorney)                                  .  To: Earl Merkel (e-addr withheld because I'm not insane)                       .
  Sent: Sun, Sep 27, 2009 7:18 pm                                                                  .

Subject: Author needing advice                                                                                                                     .
 Hello Mr. Merkel   My name is D.(deleted). I am  looking for some advice. I have recently completed a novel. (Author name) and (another Author name) have read it, and have given me some excellent suggestions. Most of those suggestions fall within the bounds of my abilities.  There is a point, however, that does not. Proof reading! This is something that is very very difficult for me. I've tried most of the techniques out there, reading backwards, short intense periods of focused concentration, I've gone through the entire manuscript word for word, crossing out each word individually as I go. I still miss things.  I would very much like to get this project on it's feet, so I am investigating professional proof readers. I did message (Author No. 1) about this. He gave me the benefit of his experience, but also suggested that I ask you for your advice.  

  • I have a lot of question.  The services I looked at on line focused in on non-fiction. They were all about  business proposals, technical papers, that kind of thing, I didn't know what they would do with something artistic. Are there services for fiction writers, with large manuscripts?
  • It's occurred to me that perhaps this is something best handled by individuals, not services. If that's the case, do you know or can you recommend someone?
  • How does one proof the proofer? I spent a lot of time gluing words together in very odd non traditional ways. That's my charm, or at least it's the delusion that keeps fuel in the tank. Is there a "get to know you" period with a proof reader. Does the proofer look at what your work and decided if they can get behind it. Would it be appropriate to ask see for things they've worked on?
  • What can I expect to be charged for this service?
  • What would be a normal turn around time? I'm sure that depends on the work load of the individual, but I'm pushing to get this thing done. Is there a rule of thumb? 

  What have I missed? Is there any facet I'm not seeing? Any input on this subject would be greatly appreciated.   All The Best   D.                                                                                                                                                                                                                           .
    --Reply from EMerkel--  Sept. 29, 2009                                                                                                       .
 Hey, D. -- good to hear from you. Congrats on the completion of your m/s, even if it's still in-progress with getting it into final form.

You pose some interesting questions. Certainly, there are proofreading services available... and they'll almost always do a good job of picking up misspellings, transpositions, and (if they're working to an established stylebook) errors of grammar or usage (again, in accord with the aforementioned stylebook). Generally, they work on a per-hour or per-page -basis... and nope, they generally won't ask to evaluate the manuscript before taking on the job; for proofreaders, it's just another job. The faster you need it done, the more it will cost; for more on costs, see below.

But there are a couple of problems with using proofreaders for a book such as one you describe:

1)  As Tom Wolfe (the Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test TW, not the Look Homeward, Angel -guy) discovered, being non-traditional in one's writing style and usage generally befuddles proofreaders; unless you pepper the manuscript with an ungodly number of paren'ed "SIC" ("statement/spelling is correct"), you'll spend days marking "STET" ("let it stand as previously written") on the multitude of "correx" they mark. It's far from productive, and annoying as hell for a writer. Proofing the proofreader thus becomes as much work as proofing it yourself (pre-submission to a prospective agent or publisher) and telling the prospective agent or publisher's acquiring editor (the one you or your no-longer-prospective agent have submitted it to) that "all the non-traditional stuff herein is there on purpose to get the response from readers that I anticipated when I wrote the stuff that way."  Of course, unless you are Tom Wolfe (or James Joyce, or Henry James. or maybe Buck Henry) non-traditional usage pisses off publishers anyway, which risks a too-prompt form-letter rejection from editors who are overworked and unsympathetic-to-anything-we-can't-easily-pitch-to-Barnes&Noble's-purchasing-rep. (Whew; long sentence, eh? But you clearly see the problem here, no?)

2)  By definition, proofreaders tend to work from source material (usually, a manuscript already edited-to-perfection) to make sure the first-typeset galley (the typeset "proof", which is then used to lay out the pages of a book) is a perfect reflection of the m/s. While detail-oriented to a degree comparable to your average institutionalized obsessive-compulsive psychotic, proofreaders generally aren't really "editors" (who are assumed to be able to discern a writer's individual style and are supposed to be able -- at minimum -- to make intelligent margin-notes when the manuscript/author's intention isn't clear to them).  Proofreaders don't question authorial intent (and, even if they're not yet institutionalized, you probably wouldn't want 'em to, anyway); rather, they're fixated on catching typos. When you intentionally include what could be seen as typos... well, re-read comment No. 1.

3)  All that said, you may be looking for an independent book editor (i.e., not a publisher's employee; don't expect a publisher to "shape up" an author's m/s, unless you already have a Bookscan tally rivaling Tom Clancy's) from a service, or a freelancer. I've not used either, but I have talked to people who have. Some were satisfied with the editing (which included content suggestions, as well as proofing of typos), many were less so... but virtually all of them were daunted by what they termed "outlandish" costs. I don't know what the market bears these days, but one writer told me several years ago that the editor she used charged a bit under a thousand dollars for a 380-page m/s. Seemed excessive to me... and as of the last time I spoke to her, no publishing house had bought her book anyway. Rather a thin ROI for the money involved, I feel.

4) But if you're only interested in proofing for errors-- well, have you asked your spouse/ best friend/ people at work/ mother to "look it over for mistakes"? (Okay-- strike that about giving it to your mother for proofing; you'll only end up discovering she either loves you way too much, or nowhere near enough). I've heard myths about people enlisting members of their writing group for this kind of proofing work (I'd suggest one chapter to one member, another chapter to another, etc.)-- though, like all mythical stories, the origin thereof is strictly hearsay and (I suspect) wishful thinking. Can't hurt to try, tho.

I guess I'd sum it all up by saying: okay, proofreading isn't your strong suit. Mine neither, and I suspect a poll of most writers would prove neither of us atypical.  But whether ADD is a factor or not, if you're serious about getting your project done --and not inclined to spend a fortune on dubious outside "professional" support-- you have to suck it up and just DO it yourself. Again, and again --one paragraph, even one sentence, at a time-- and probably go over it again-again. You say you've already done this... but, of course, that's why I just invented the term "again-again" (copyright E.L. Merkel 2009).

And know that even after all that, there will still be a few errors in the m/s you send to an agent or publisher. Not to worry; if the content / storyline is compelling, a handdfull of typoz wont' mater. If they love your book, they'll hire their own damn proofreader.

I wish I could have been more encouraging about actually answering the questions you asked, much less actually solving the problem you posited. But if this crazy profession we've chosen was easy, everybody would be writing a book-- each of 'em, perfectly spelled and punctuated.

Best of luck, and don't quit.

--Earl Merkel 

Dale Estey

Dale Estey says:

I comment as someone who

I comment as someone who does not use a proofreader. I think D's peace of mind is worth the outlay of funds. D's financial situation can dictate what pay-per-page can be. I've seen a range from $3 to $50 US per page.

This site might help.
http://www.asja.org/

And if D has deliberately made odd words and language, it is worth D's while to STET every one.

Ivory Madison

Ivory Madison says:

Proofreading and copy editing

I have a book called The Copyeditor's Handbook, by Amy Einsohn, which gave me (along with several other books) the education I needed to become an editor. It's now ten years old, so it's already quaint as far as much of the advice relating back to typesetting.

Earl, you're correct about the traditional definition of "proofreading" and the book I mentioned explains the same thing--it means making sure no errors were inserted during the typesetting process and that it matches the MS. However, these days, I think most people think it means "catching typos and obvious grammatical errors that Microsoft's spellcheck and grammar-check didn't catch." But that process is properly called "mechanical editing."

Einsohn's book defines the levels of copyediting so we can all communicate with each other about it. First, there's "mechanical editing" (spelling, capitalization, punctuation, hyphens, deviation from house style). She separates out "correlating parts" (contents page against chapters, footnotes, numbering, tables, alphabetizing, reference lists cited matching up with other sections). A combination of "Language editing" (correcting grammar, syntax, usage, pointing out anything wordy, asking for clarifications) plus "content editing" (querying factual inconsistencies, gaps in logic)is what I think most people think of as copyediting. Einsohn also separates out "Permissions" (noting anything that may need a permission) and "typecoding" (noting how to treat all text appearing in headers and other non-main-text elements of the manuscript).

I didn't even mention the kind of "editing" that most of us need, having to do with the quality of our craft. There should be a whole chart for that sort of editing, too. I'll just call it "craft editing" for now.

I think schools should teach writing and editing—all the levels of editing—from a young age. They are different skills, and it's hard to do your own editing, so the more training you have, the better.

Most of the professional editors I know charge about $100 an hour and will do any and all levels of editing. I have met some editors who charge as low as $50 an hour, and some who charge as high as $500 an hour. Some prefer utilizing their years of experience to transform a manuscript with craft editing and guidence, and some really just want to "fix and query" a manscript as a copyeditor. But their time is their time and it takes how long it takes.

Most are very generous with their time because they get attached to the writer and the project. The reality is that it is prohibitively expensive for almost any writer to hire anyone to help them. Everyone I know who does editing, copyediting, or writing coaching charges one rate but gives away free or discounted services to be nice to others, on a regular basis. I charge super-high rates for my writing coaching just to balance out the writers I work with for free.

My best cheap advice to people like the writer who emailed you is: Have a friend read your manuscript clearly and slowly and loudly, as if to an audience, in front of you. You'll catch almost all issues, from mechanical editing through higher level issues beyond copyediting, like long sentences, unnecessary words, and craft editing issues like bad dialogue or the story dragging or having holes in it, cliches, etc.

I hope that helps.

Ivory Madison,
Founder and CEO, Red Room