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The Avatar of Amnesia: Glenn Beck, Historical Memory and the Evil of Right-Wing Populism

October 19, 2009, 6:16 am

There is none so dangerous as the white American who waxes nostalgic about what he or she likes to call "the good old days." Or, alternately, those "simpler" times, or the era of so-called "innocence" remembered from their childhoods, memorialized in a Norman Rockwell painting, or via televised re-runs of the Cleaver family, or Opie Taylor casting a line down at the ol' fishin' hole.

None so dangerous because such persons, through their lamentations about having lost the nation they so fondly remember, disregard as if they were a mere annoyance, unworthy of consideration, the lived experiences of millions of their fellow countrymen and women: peoples of color for whom so many of those days were anything but good, far from simple, and part of an era that can only be thought of as innocent by a people utterly inured to suffering, wholly incapable of even defining innocence, let alone identifying it, and unable, for reasons of their own racial narcissism, to stare truth in the face. In this case, the truth that their recollections are the very definition of selective memory. Perhaps worse, delusion itself.

Yet these dangerous minions are all around us. We could see them in the town hall meetings this summer, for instance, shouting about how they wanted their "country back," and how we should return to the nation the way the founders envisioned it. No, the shouters would insist, they didn't mean the part about slavery, or the part about women not voting, or the part about killing indigenous people. They only meant the good stuff: you know the part about limited government and perhaps powdered wigs. And muskets, and duels at twenty paces, and wooden teeth, and other such cool things as that.

And perhaps in this, they were telling the truth. But if so, this only suggests that to them, the bad parts--the enslavement of Africans, the murder of Native peoples, the vicious suppression of women's rights--are but a mere trifle of history. Not worth even thinking about. Oh yes, there was that, but really now, who cares? An argument can be made, methinks, that such bemused indifference might actually be a bit more disturbing for what it says about those evincing it, than would outright hostility be, or outright praise for the depredations of the past. At least the open celebrant of murder and oppression reveals himself for who he is, unlike the numbed and diffident spectator, who can maintain a patina of decency in the midst of calm, cool nonchalance. 

To view such things as afterthoughts is to render the people who suffered under the weight of those days too unimportant to merit even a fleeting glance of recognition. It is an act of thought-murder, of memory-scrubbing, an act that seeks to elevate national amnesia to the lofty perch normally reserved for religious sacraments: dementia as the new communion wafer, ingested weekly so as to maintain the national pretense of righteousness. It is to treat genocide, physical and cultural, as no more important than errant lines on some gargantuan etch-a-sketch, which can be conveniently erased with a shake or a tap, never to be seen or thought of again.

It is this indifference to suffering--real suffering, not the imagined sufferings of the rich, forced to pay estate taxes, or CEOs asked (though not even forced) to reign in their 7-figure bonuses--that seemingly plagues so many a mouthpiece of the white right nowadays: those who have been giving the most consistent amplification to the notion of a national innocence lost. And so we have Glenn Beck, the recovering alcoholic and not-so-recovering public weeper-in-chief, holding forth almost daily as to the nation we "once were," but no longer are. Because of Obama. Because of liberals. Because of creeping socialism. Because of ACORN. We have lost our way, he insists. We are losing that America we once knew, he continues. And that of course is not only to be accepted as Gospel truth, but as catastrophic, because to Beck and to millions who, by their own admission hang on his every word, that America of old was a good and great place to be.

That Beck never took a history class past the eleventh grade may explain some of his inability to understand how venal is such a belief. In college, they tend to go into a bit greater detail about the good, the bad and the ugly of American history, unlike high school, where historical narratives are more likely to tow the patriotic rah-rah line. But then again, I've known black folks with eighth grade educations who possessed an historical clarity lacking even in many a white man with a PhD, so mere lack of exposure may be insufficient to fully account for Beck's blind spots.

Regardless of their source, these blind spots have been glaringly visible to the rest of us for a while now, along with the tears that so often stream down his face, as he contemplates and asks his audiences to contemplate with him, the passing of a once great nation. It was just such a blind spot to which I was introduced this past 4th of July, during a re-broadcast of a somewhat earlier episode of his radio show, in which Beck explained that he "hates the last 100 years or so of American history." 

While he would no doubt insist that by this he did not mean the part about civil rights, or women's suffrage, or the end of mandatory child labor (although he was speaking specifically of the legacy of progressivism, which would certainly include those three things), the mere fact that he could make such a statement as if those events had not even happened indicates that the struggles that made those victories possible are of literally no consequence to him; that they hold no weight as key elements of our national story. Far from being seen as among the greatest accomplishments in our nation's history, Beck apparently views them as belonging to a third rail narrative, which pales in comparison to the more exhilarating remembrances of civil war battles, Washington crossing the Delaware, or that wholly fabricated trope about how, long before that famous navigation, a young Washington chopped down a certain cherry tree and, compelled by conscience, told his daddy the truth.

No indeed, how could the greatness of a Martin Luther King Jr., or a Fannie Lou Hamer (whom Beck, I would be willing to bet couldn't identify if his life depended on it, without first doing a Wikipedia search), possibly compare to those great heroes of the 19th century Gilded Age? Or the colonial leaders who sought to suppress the religious beliefs of non-Christians, or murder women they suspected of witchcraft? How could one not prefer the likes of an Indian-killer like Andrew Jackson, to, say, any of a number of labor leaders, suffragettes, and civil rights activists who were willing to put everything on the line for the cause of equality? The last century indeed was such a vile and pitiful time that one can only castigate the rest of us for not seeing it as clearly as dear brother Beck, who so easily traded in booze for the Bible, that one might be inclined to accuse him of simply shifting from one mind-altering drug to another. One might do that, that is, if one were inclined to be judgmental.

And we wouldn't want to be judgmental, for that is a talent best left to Beck himself.

Most recently, Beck became weepy at the showing of two classic commercials during his television show: commercials that make him especially wistful for those good old days about which he is so emotional.

One was a Kodak spot from 1975, featuring the song "Times of Your Life," by Paul Anka, piped over old super-8 footage of families from the 1950s and 60s. And then there was the famous Coke ad, from 1979, featuring former NFL great "Mean" Joe Greene and a little kid, who offers Greene his cold soda after a tough game, and gets a Steeler jersey in return. No question these were both effective and touching advertisements. But in the hands of Beck, they became something else. Rather than seeing them as what they were (emotion-laden manipulations intended to sell products and make their respective companies a lot of money), Beck presents them as literal paeans to national unity and togetherness. Despite acknowledging that "America has always had her problems"--the typically and obscenely understated way in which white conservatives tend to gloss over things like apartheid and institutionalized racial supremacy--Beck insists that once upon a time (like back in the days represented by those commercials) "we used to be united on some basic things."

"Do you remember how that felt?" Beck queried of his viewers. "Do you remember what life was like?" He continued on. And then, in his crowning challenge, he speculated that if a politician promised he could take us back to those "simpler times," when the flowers presumably smelled better, the skies were bluer, and even one's tears tasted like molasses--presuming for a minute that one would ever have occasion to cry in a place as blissful as this-- we would all "do it in a heartbeat." "Wouldn't ya?" he added with the aw shucks earnestness that has become his hallmark move.

All of which suggests that Beck doesn't actually remember much, or perhaps never learned much, about those days. About what unity could he possibly be speaking, after all? Would it be the unity of the 1950s, which led white folks to gladly embrace the Brown v. Board of Education decision, requiring the desegregation of previously all-white schools? The unity that prompted whites, in the wake of that ruling to rush to the local florist, purchase bouquets and hand them out to black children as a welcome to their new educational environs?

Perhaps he means the unity that led Montgomery, Alabama bus operators to help Ms. Rosa Parks to her seat up front, and chastise that one unruly white guy, who--owing to his own mistaken assumptions that the town was something other than unified behind the notion of civil rights--thought blacks were still supposed to be relegated to the back of the bus?

Perhaps the unity of which he speaks was that which inspired Governor George Wallace to serve as Grand Marshal at the welcoming ceremony thrown for Vivian Malone and James Hood, when they sought to become the first black students to enroll at the University of Alabama.

Or the unity that in 1963, led every single white person in America to attend the March on Washington, so as to demand the passage of civil rights legislation, which, oddly, was going to be passed anyway, on a unanimous vote, seeing as how everyone was unified behind "some basic things," like, ya know, equal rights for all.

Or maybe he was speaking of the unity that led everyone to support the U.S. war in Southeast Asia, or even when they didn't support it, at least to ensure that those who dissented from the conflict would be met with open arms and a firm commitment to the First Amendment, like, ya know, at Kent State.

Come to think of it, perhaps he meant the part where everyone loved Dr. King, and so the FBI thankfully never spied on him, and when he condemned the slaughter in Vietnam, saying that the United States had become the "greatest purveyor of violence in the world today," everyone applauded his courage, since they had all said it before themselves. And of course it was really cool how no one ever killed him, because, ya know, all were so united in their admiration. 

All sarcasm aside, the divisions that roiled the nation in mid-century, and which Beck gives such short shrift with his praise for the Kodak commercial, what with its quite different imagery, were hardly erased by the late 70s: the point at which the "Steeler and the Kid" commercial, as it's known, first aired.

That was, after all, the year that the battle against nuclear power heated up due to the partial meltdown of a reactor at Three Mile Island. 

And the year that the Unabomber constructed one of his first devices, and managed to get it placed on an airplane.

And the year that Klansmen and neo-Nazis shot and killed five members of the Communist Worker's Party in Greensboro, North Carolina, during an anti-racism march.

And the year that a jury gave a slap on the wrist to Dan White, who had murdered Harvey Milk and San Francisco Mayor George Moscone: a decision that set off a major uprising by gay rights activists. It was also the year that a massive national gay rights march took place in Washington DC, with hardly unified approval from the religious right. 

And it was the year that a U.S.-backed dictatorship came to an end in Nicaragua, to be replaced by the nominally-socialist Sandinistas, whose regime would then be attacked mercilessly by the Reagan-funded contras, over the objections of millions of Americans and even Congress. 

And of course it was the year that American hostages would be taken in Iran, leading millions of Americans to blame President Jimmy Carter for the event, and for having stood insufficiently behind the ousted dictator, Shah Reza Pahlavi. This outrage would then help prompt a very un-unified nation to elect Ronald Reagan a year later.

To proclaim that America was ever unified, behind much of anything important, is to ignore the whole of the national experience. Even during World War Two, arguably the most unified period in our national life, black veterans viewed the campaign against European fascism and Japanese imperialism differently. But it is doubtful that Beck or his listeners have ever heard of the Double-V (for victory) campaign, which saw the war effort as existing on three fronts: Europe, Asia, and at home, against the racial oppression to which veterans of color were being subjected, and would be subjected even after their triumphant return.

And while white America chose as its heroes in this period, soldiers like Audie Murphy or draft-dodging but oh-so-masculine actors like John Wayne--who actually got out of service so as to allow for the furtherance of his movie career--black folks cleaved to an entirely different set of role models: from the Tuskeegee airmen (about whom most whites knew little for more than a generation), to the martyrs of the civil rights movement: persons like the Reverend George Lee, Vernon Dahmer, Medgar Evers, Wharlest Jackson, Herbert Lee, Sammy Younge Jr., Andrew Goodman, Michael Schwerner, James Chaney, Harriette Moore, Jimmie Lee Jackson, Lamar Smith, James Reeb, William Moore, Jonathan Daniels, and Viola Liuzzo, among others. That few whites have even heard these names (and that the history books used to teach all Americans rarely mention them) suggests that, as with Beck, the culture in general would rather gloss over the evidence of disunity that has marked us from the beginning, would prefer to fabricate a commonality of purpose and vision that has never, for one moment, existed anywhere within the borders of the nation we call home. White America prefers the lie. Has grown dependent on it, in fact, so much so that to challenge it is to forever brand oneself as unpatriotic, as an enabler of a victim syndrome amongst those who indeed have been victims of American disunity.

Yet it all seems strangely perverse, seeing as how the "innocence lost" narrative is inherently about the proclamation of victimhood, about imagining the majority as embattled by those who would sacrifice the greatness of the past on the altar of modernity and all its attendant evils. It is the ultimate victimology. And it is far more dangerous than any equivalent form put forth by the truly oppressed. For when the dominant group in a social order proclaims itself aggrieved, insists that it is the marginalized faction, and yet still has its relative power, its guns, its bombs, its police forces, its military, its majority status (in numbers and certainly in influence), that sense of grievance becomes more than mere annoyance. It becomes deadly. The backlash engendered by that sense of victimhood, linked with firepower and the strength of the state apparatus becomes a potential source of real fascism, properly defined and historically conceptualized. It is always the notion of national decline and the need for rebirth that lay at the root of fascism, after all. Would that someone might explain this point to those given to accusing President Obama of the thing.

And it is precisely that, the fascist impulse, which Glenn Beck--a self-proclaimed rodeo clown, who yet commands the respect of millions--is daily nurturing, feeding like kindling to a flame, stoking like an old Boy Scout campfire. Only the agenda here is more insidious than the toasting of s'mores. Indeed it is about returning America to a place neither good nor great: a place that is dying, and indeed deserves to die, having been on life support for far too long as it is. Time to pull the plug now. A death panel for a dying empire: exactly what we need, no matter how certain talk show hosts may feel about it.

Tim Wise is the author of four books on race. His latest is Between Barack and a Hard Place: Racism and White Denial in the Age of Obama (City Lights, 2009).    

Frederic Christie

Frederic Christie says:

For Me...

It's all about the hypocrisy.

The historical revisionism Beck and his ilk evince is grotesque, but I would be more tolerant of it if they could demonstrate for a second they believed any of the shit they spouted.

Hell, the whole desire to just ignore all the parts of history that they don't like is exactly what they criticize about so-called "revisionism" (whose tenets they overwhelmingly concede are correct; the crime is the revision, not the accuracy thereof).

When he says that we used to be united by basic truths, well, sorry, Beck, but you and your (I speak with all the love in the world) Dumbass Brigades are the ones who are fomenting disagreements over basic truths. Whether it's Creationism, or trying to rollback feminism or civil rights, it's US who put our agendas into place and YOU who are trying to change it. YOU'RE the liberals, in that you are trying to change established law and established social changes. By definition, the people who are fighting for basic, agreed-upon truths are the LEFTISTS and liberals who are defending that which has already been established.

And all those conservatives at town hall meetings who have only decided that NOW is the time when big government has taken over show that they either don't care about the facts or are active liars. Because to have sat silent, or indeed to be in stolid support, of everything the Bush administration did to INCREASE government over eight years, and then only when the government decides to actually, y'know, help its citizens, start complaining about "big government", is to be a rank hypocrite.

Like the Daily Show pointed out: Conservatives acted like the opposition party, like the Democrats, when they lost in 2008. They criticize the President, brutally, after eight years of saying that people shouldn't criticize the President.

Phil Owens

Phil Owens says:

your list of martyrs

i had to look-up most of your list of martyrs, and i'm glad i did.

Michael Gibson

Michael Gibson says:

Simpler Times?

I can’t begin to tell you what its like to be inundated with white culture each and every day of my life. And have whites tell me they don’t see what the problem is. From the time that I can remember (I’m 52 this December) the first images I saw on television were, I want my Maypo commercials, Beanie and Cecil. White family sitcoms and kids science-fiction/puppet shows from Super Car to Diver Dan to Kukla, Fran and Ollie. Father knows Best- Make Room for Daddy, Sing Along with Mitch and Ted Mack. Every hero was white- every cop show had an all white cast. Every commercial was geared towards a white audience. Every baby doll pushed by advertisers was white. Every toy on a toy commercial was enjoyed by two white middle class boys in a beautiful home. I’m talking Hot wheels, and Mighty Mike- to Johnny Speed and GI Joe. Every beauty product featured a pretty white girl. Even during that time whites didn’t think of themselves as racist. If Glen Beck is talking about these days, than we black folk are in deep trouble.

Our realities and ideas of what comprises the good ole days are so diametrically opposed to each other it’s not even funny. It was as if we blacks did not exist. Course until you turned on the news and every negative report you could think of featured people of color. I see the same trend in the local news even today. Its as if we do not matter in some cases. With regards to charity work, volunteerism, or just human interest stories; the local media reflects on news coming out of the white suburbs and rural areas as if our 40 percent black population (where I live) is neither relevant nor important. Course if you complain you’re looked on as a trouble maker. How does this happen? I’m temped to ask sometimes are whites born racist. And what I mean by this is, are whites born to white families raised in all white communities and fed a steady diet of the white power structure to such a degree as to be conditioned or drawn towards whiteness? Is there a gene that’s passed on that’s responsible for such thinking? Rendering whites inherently blind to it? I hope I’m not offending anyone by asking this. Could one have asked this of the old south when it was entrenched in slavery and later Jim Crow? When racism was an actual- tangible thing that one could identify and see it imposed by a people who didn’t think of themselves as racist?

When I see the news media constantly and I mean even at this writing, constantly reporting on missing white women and children as if blacks did not suffer the same fate, I’m forced to ask this. Or when I watch the History channel’s propensity for Romanticizing Hitler, but offering no programming on people of color who helped build this country, again I wonder why.
I wish Glen Beck was able to see things through the eyes of the minority when he longs for simpler times. For even in the good ole days of Mayberry, some shops and eateries during that time in the south didn’t serve blacks. Yet people still remember it as a reflection of the innocence that was America, and forget about how prevalent racism was back then.

Helen Mallon

Helen W. Mallon says:

"I'm tempted to ask sometimes are whites born racist"

Hi,

 I really appreciated what you wrote.  I grew up around the same time you did, but I didn't question the absence of people of color on the TV shows I loved.  One privilege we white people have access to 24/7 is the freedom to cheerfully ignore the question of race--and the racial legacy of the past.  I grew up in a liberal Quaker family in Philadelphia, lived in an integrated neighborhood, went to an integrated Friends' school, etc., but I was blind to all this myself until much later.  In fact, there was an atmosphere of racism in my own home.  It was all very polite. 

Blind is blind until you realize it.  I don't think we're born racist, but I do think that blindness can run very deep--and people cling to what they think they know.  Stupid, but it's hurting us as white folks and us as a culture and us as a nation.  We just don't realize it. 

ken sartor

ken sartor says:

the old days

Well we all have our memories and imaginings about "the good ole days". Some of the things that come to my mind are:

1) Friendly neighbours that knew the local children and kept an eye on things
2) A feeling of safety - no school shootings and less horrific violence (Manson was a big deal back then, today he would be a piker, compared to Dahimer, Malvo, Bundy et al)
3) Jobs (with pensions!) that often lasted a lifetime
4) Far less materialism
5) The birth of rock and roll (yea!)
6) Stable intact families especially those with children (even more so for black folks then vs now)
7) The feeling that anything was possible, the NASA moon landing
8) Well mannered children (especially by todays standards)
9) TV being family friendly
10) Eating dinners together as families
11) None of the insane "zero tolerance" policies of today (give a friend a midol and be suspended? Carry a pocket knife to school and be expelled?)
12) No meth or crack
13) Doctors being much more available (including house-calls!)
14) No mass shootings or sniper attacks
15) Lack of terrorism on our shores (911, McVeigh, the unibomber, etc)

Anyone could add to the list, it is virtually infinite. But we can also choose to look at the bad, the list is also very long. Surely we can remember both the good and bad of our collective pasts? Or can we only see one side. . .?

So is feeling nostalgic for the past really so bad? Sure there were bad things then, as there are now. But all in all it *was* a simpler time, one where our social interactions were local (as opposed to via the Internet). If we really want to list the bad things in our past, we would need to include the wars, the lack of equality (especially when compared with today), hell, lets include the lack of modern medicine while we are at it. No time is ever perfect, but the past led us to where we are today and its good should be noted as well as its bad.

Just my $0.02.

Frederic Christie

Frederic Christie says:

What You Leave Out Is What Matters

"Well we all have our memories and imaginings about "the good ole days". Some of the things that come to my mind are: 1) Friendly neighbours that knew the local children and kept an eye on things"

Growing up in a rural/suburban area, I can tell you that this is in fact not only alive and well, but actually IMHO MORE so than in the 50s and 60s. In towns like Davis and even areas like Berkeley, most people are very chill folk who protect each other.

"2) A feeling of safety - no school shootings and less horrific violence (Manson was a big deal back then, today he would be a piker, compared to Dahimer, Malvo, Bundy et al)"

Manson's not a big deal nowadays? Really? Since I find his actions repugnant and he's commonly listed among the worst serial killers. Come on. Anyways, school violence has gone DOWN, not up.

"3) Jobs (with pensions!) that often lasted a lifetime"

Here we are in utter agreement, but that's not because the 50s ruled, that's because of leftists like us who won major changes and made a different economy called the "golden age of state capitalism". Nixon changed that in the 1970s to the neo-liberal norm. So if you don't like that, join us in challenging NAFTA, GATT, etc.

In any respect, we're not just talking about the 40s, 50s and 60s, but also the times before that. And in the 19th and early 20th centuries, workers were FAR worse off than now.

"4) Far less materialism"

...You're kidding, right? The era of planned obsolesence, of gigantic junker cars, of "keep up with the Joneses", was LESS materialistic? Come on!

"5) The birth of rock and roll (yea!)"

So the birth of a genre is better than its culmination and mastery?

Punk rock. Hair metal. Stadium rock. Alternative rock. Michael Jackson. All that's post-70s.

"6) Stable intact families especially those with children (even more so for black folks then vs now)"

Thanks to the fact that women were second class citizens with no opportunity to leave loveless marriages or have a career. And, actually, evidence shows that times have been getting BETTER, not worse, for the black family (remember that the Moynihan Report called black families to task for their family structure decades ago).

"7) The feeling that anything was possible, the NASA moon landing"

The feeling that anything was possible: An end to capitalism, blowing up the moon, the Large Hadron Collider, genetic technology...

"8) Well mannered children (especially by todays standards)"

Obedient, unthinking automata.

"9) TV being family friendly"

TV being racist, sexist, classist, monolithic and designed to force obedience and conformity.

"10) Eating dinners together as families"

Only Dad being able to get out of the home, and the family environment being a crushing environment of emotionless conformity. (See the great shorts about eating dinner with family that MST3K and others have mocked).

"11) None of the insane "zero tolerance" policies of today (give a friend a midol and be suspended? Carry a pocket knife to school and be expelled?)"

Which is a backlash from this kind of racist, rose-colored-glasses nostalgia crap. Don't blame the symptom when you defend the cause.

"12) No meth or crack"

No, just old-fashioned weed, cocaine, heroin and alcoholism.

"13) Doctors being much more available (including house-calls!)"

Sounds like a good reason to get past the HMO system.

"14) No mass shootings or sniper attacks"

Aside from the US shooting people en masse in Korea and Vietnam, overthrowing Mossadeq, all those nasty CIA coups to defend banana companies...

"15) Lack of terrorism on our shores (911, McVeigh, the unibomber, etc)"

Aside from...

1950s

The top and bottom ones are especially important, since they're the victims of your whitewashing: Black folks. For them, the 1950s were none of the things you mentioned. Your entire shpiel is a racialized viewpoint that does intellectual violence to the victims of those whose lives weren't so pretty.

"Anyone could add to the list, it is virtually infinite. But we can also choose to look at the bad, the list is also very long. Surely we can remember both the good and bad of our collective pasts? Or can we only see one side. . .?"

Sure we can. But Glenn Beck says he hates the last hundred years of our history. It's BECK who wants us to ignore the successes of feminism, the civil rights movement, the hippy movement, the anti-war movements, the ecology movements, in making the world and America more sane. Even right-wingers can agree that we don't want segregation and we don't want women trapped in the home unable to vote (since that happened less than a century ago too).

As I've noted, the economy of the 50-70s era, pre-Bretton Woods-being-dismantled, was far better than what we have now, and I think we need to go closer to that model.

But ultimately the point is that, for whites, it has been a mixed bag, whereas for blacks, the bag feels a lot less mixed and a lot more unambiguously GOOD given that they no longer live under legal apartheid.

"So is feeling nostalgic for the past really so bad?"

Yes. And it's because of the things you ignored, like THE ENTIRE ARTICLE.

That is: The white nostalgia that doesn't just like certain elements of the past but seeks to elevate that past to saintly status is repellent given how crushingly conformist, how mind-bogglingly materialist, how racist, how sexist, how ecologically destructive, those eras are. And from the mouths of those like Glenn Beck, it is a purely cynical white nationalist and classist play.

There's nothing wrong with loving Elvis (but then again, shouldn't you also throw on the Beatles?) There's nothing wrong with clapping at Eisenhower's "military-industrial complex" warning, an incredibly leftist sentiment. There's nothing wrong with admiring the fight against the fascists: In fact, us leftists were in that fight first! There's nothing wrong with approving of stable jobs, no speculative economy. And there's not even anything wrong with remembering the past fondly.

But when that crosses the line to ignoring or even defending segregation, THAT'S something very, VERY wrong.

"Sure there were bad things then, as there are now. But all in all it *was* a simpler time, one where our social interactions were local (as opposed to via the Internet)."

A simpler time during which multiple major world wars claimed millions of lives and during which US and European colonialism was virtually unchallenged. "Simpler" translates to "easier for white nationalists to understand", I'm afraid. We're scared of a changing world in which we might not be perpetually on top. We're scared of technology that makes us realize that there is a world of very different perceptions out there and that our sexual fetishes are in fact very tame.

I think we are in an era of unprecedented opportunities. We might finally be able to create a world where no one starves, where no one is oppressed, where we have an economy and a government that are democratic and responsive.

Michael Gibson

Michael Gibson says:

So is feeling nostalgic for

So is feeling nostalgic for the past really so bad? Sure there were bad things then, as there are now. But all in all it *was* a simpler time, one where our social interactions were local (as opposed to via the Internet). If we really want to list the bad things in our past, we would need to include the wars, the lack of equality (especially when compared with today), hell, lets include the lack of modern medicine while we are at it. No time is ever perfect, but the past led us to where we are today and its good should be noted as well as its bad."

For a lot of minorities its not as simple as that, for some of the things that can be easily dismissed by whites still affect blacks to this day. An Institutionalized Denial that racism is still a problem is the same thing that whites did back when it was really bad for blacks. If you asked whites back then about how it was for blacks I'm sure as Mr wise alluded to, most whites would agree blacks had it good back then. So depending upon the beholder the good ole days can bring back bad memories. It just wasn't that simple as you would suppose. And Mass shootings? Can you say Charles Whitman who on August 1, 1966 killed 14 people and wounded 32 others during a shooting rampage on and around the university's campus. You didn't have crack or meth back then cause Opiates were still king; and just as devastating. The average white person can remember the old times alright and he can remember a time (as I take a line from In the Heat of the Night) When Eric Endicott says to Tibbs, “There was a time when I could've had you shot.” Meaning, no one would have said a thing about it. Oh how I remember the good ole days, when things were much simpler and we were definitely in charge. If whites are saying, "we are losing our country," they first must acknowledge that they were in control of it all along. Whites can wax nostalgic in movies and revisit merry old England or the Old West; but blacks can’t go back that far back in this country without revisiting the taint of race and slavery. As Danny Glover found out- in his attempt to bring the story of Haitian independence hero Toussaint-Louverture to the big screen. For such a movie to be made one must have a white hero, if one intends to draw a white audience. That in itself is a sad assumption on the part of the white studio executives. Whites can make a miniseries about the civil war, and portray gallant heroes and southern bells. White men can play revered cowboys, statesmen and pirates; and revisit any time in history. The history channel is constantly going back in this country’s past without ever touching on the contributions of blacks. I wonder if Glory could have been made if there was no white hero; if it were simply shot from the black man’s perspective. Sidney Poitier played one great Moor as I recall, and Jim brown played a cowboy in a few movies. But it wasn’t the norm for most white folk. Back then whites were more comfortable with us as porters, butlers and maids. Blacks were constantly being reminded of their place in society; so one might be tempted to ask- a simpler time for whom? I do remember a good many things about my past and how things were- but when I turned on the television or read the newspaper I was constantly being reminded of my place in this country. So was it all bad? Well it depends on who you ask.

Michael Gibson

Michael Gibson says:

Thats, "Mr. Wise" Please

Thats, "Mr. Wise"
Please forgive my oversight in not capitalizing his name.
Michael

ken sartor

ken sartor says:

how funny!

Can it really be true that in order to be a leftist and anti-racist, one must selectively ignore the great amount of good in our past? Why not do the same for the present?

One could (and some do) assert that civil rights have been shredded, the Geneva convention ignored, torture endorsed, a US election stolen (maybe even 2 for the truly dedicated wingnuts) by a Bush, global warming was "discovered", accelerated and ultimately ignored - you guys can fill in the rest of the "current" bad list. If done right, one can surely show that today the world, led by the US, is going down the tubes at the fasted rate ever! But what would be the point of such an argument? Why even bother to list any good that exists now, surely it is merely an illusion?

While the past was imperfect, so is the present and so will be the future. I prefer to see the past - all of it - rather than a past that fits my notions of political correctness. I am amused by the contortions done to ignore the good in our past and would be equally amused by those who would ignore the bad.

On a total out of left field (so to speak) side topic that is of interest to me and perhaps understood/thought about by folks here: What is "White"? Is Hugo Chavez white? Castro? Obama? Finns? Italians? Asians? Mexicans? Turks? Or is it "you know it when you see it"? If some of the aforementioned groups above are not white, do they have "White (Asian?) Privilege" too? On a related note, do you all think of "Black" as a monolithic group, or do you, um, discriminate between different enthic groups of blacks?

Frederic Christie

Frederic Christie says:

No, But..

Absolutely not, Ken. I lionize the Spanish anarchists. I think it's important that we have realistic ideas of what we're looking back to, though, and not engage in false consciousness. More importantly, we have to recognize that views of the past are racialized. For whites, there is at least something to go back to in the past: White supremacy. For blacks and Latina/os, the direction for them to go is far more unambiguously forward.

In an episode of Psych, Shawn is talking about how even though he plans on getting married in space, he can also appreciate the beauty of the Wild West lifestyle. But Gus rightfully responds, "My people have a lot different memory of this time, Shawn".

Particularly, we're replying to the Beckian mode of nostalgia, not to any mode of nostalgia. The Beckian mode for whom nothing good comes past the 50s, for whom the 1960s and 1970s were not amazing periods of long-awaited social change but periods of collective insanity, and whose impressions of how things worked leave out the racial experiences of virtually everyone else but his own group...

ken sartor

ken sartor says:

surely you don't really believe this

 "For whites, there is at least something to go back to in the past: White supremacy."

For everyone there are fond memories and bad ones. Many tend to forget the bad and recall the good, which is what nostalgia is all about, imho.

 I don't think there are any substantial numbers of people who look back on Jim Crow wistfully. And no one alive today even has any first hand memories of slavery.

Andrew Mayo

Andrew Mayo says:

Jim Crow

I believe a lot of poor whites -- affectionately known as 'white trash' in the good old days -- miss Jim Crow, miss having a whole class of people to look down on.  And I believe those same people (who put George W. Bush in office twice) would like to see Jim Crow-style laws imposed today against Muslims.  American Southern Strategy has always depended on the manipulation/mobilization of lower-income whites.  Not all the men who fought for the Confederacy were slave-owners, but they willingly fought and died for the benefit of slave-owners.  Beck is not the first to hide this manipulation with sentimentality.  Any white southerner knows the War Between the States was about defending 'home and hearth' and not about slavery at all.  

ken sartor

ken sartor says:

huh?

"that our sexual fetishes are in fact very tame."

Huh? What is this all about?

Oh and just out of curiousity, were the Jews exterminated in WW2 "White"?

Frederic Christie

Frederic Christie says:

Yeah...

Many are scared by the Internet thanks to what it has shown people about human sexuality, I think.

In the American taxonomy, yes. In the German taxonomy, no. Modern neo-Nazis and quite a few whites still insist that Jews are involved in global conspiracies and all that sort of jazz, but they've fairly well been able to assimilate in America.

Frederic Christie

Frederic Christie says:

I'm Not Saying...

That more than a tiny minority (though still a numerically large number of people) want to go back to a Confederate state. That doesn't mean whites don't like, on some levels, the idea of returning to white supremacy (even if they wouldn't characterize it thusly). All the white nationalist crap we've been hearing about going back as a nation to a simpler time is part of that mold.